Voting machines. Bornean. Top of the hour this friday morning. So glad youre with us on ccnn this morning. What a week it has been. And so much more to come. Thats exactly right. This is going to be a very intense, very consequential months, years. Many years. Sawyer, dejected, defiant. Donald trumps mood, State Of Mind after his third arraignment in four months. Trump, for his part, proclaiming his innocence and accusing the Special Counsel of leading a political persecution. And indianas neartotal abortion ban appears to be underway. Some clinics in the state have already stopped taking appointments, forcing women to seek outofstate options. We will talk to illinois governor j. B. Pritzker. Also, the jops report, we will get an example of the economy in general after a pretty shaky week for u. S. Markets. This hour of cnn this morning starts right now. Heres where we begin this morning. Former President Trump back in new jersey after pleading not guilty to his arraignment in the past
further. he is charged with plotting to stay in office, raising questions about the strength of american democracy which depends on a peaceful transition of power. joining us presidential historian and pulitzer prize best-selling author doris kearns. is there any analogue to this moment? to start 30,000 feet, what can we spare this to in american history? yeah, the only moment we can compare it to, the only other time that the peaceful transfer of power was not realized is 1860. one of the things lincoln said was, so what happens? the south loses the election. the democratic party lose to the republican party in the south. they decide to secede from the union. they will not accept the loss. lincoln said if we allow that to stand, the struggle is really about, then democracy will be considered an absurdity. ordinary people cannot govern them serves. the only other time. everytory time the person who lost and what s so important
republicans and i wonder if that makes you worried. you know, poppy, you are absolutely right. lincoln said that more important even than a law that is passed by the supreme court, more important than a congress that is passing a law, is public sentiment. what he meant by that was not a snap public opinion. what he meant was that at a certain point in a country s history, there is a settled feeling that comes on the country that something is right and something is wrong, something doesn t meet the ideals of the country. that s what happened as the anti-slavery movement built up momentum so that finally slavery was going to have end. once public sentiment knew that, it was inevitable it was going to go. right now the challenge is for the country to build up an understanding that what president and former president trump tried to do is wrong. it s against the ideals of the country. i think that s why it s so important that the trial be on television so we can see what s at issue. that
about playing those clips as you did is to show the human emotions involved. a person has been in an election for months. they are exhausted. they are sad at losing. one of the things that carter said when he was in his concession speech, i promised i wouldn t lie to you, but i must tell you now, i am really hurt. this is hard. on the other hand, i accept that i have lost. and he said, i have had a great chance to have some shaping of the destiny of our country. no man can ask for more. i congratulate the winner. we needed that time and time again. it s what democracy is about. you can either vote the guys in or throw them out, and the guy who loses has to be able to accept it with humility and dignity only now, in 1860, two times in our history. bringing up lincoln, he also said in that debate with stephen douglas, with public sentiment, nothing can fail. without it, nothing can succeed. you just look at where the public sentiment is now among