like at this sning. the reaction was much milder. you heard them say, people are sort of like they start with i love joe biden and then they go into a, but, he s not disciplined enough, he s not unmessaged. he d be great as secretary of state. he d be vice president again. it s very much like they think hillary would win, they would love to see warren. it s not a sense that joe biden is material for whatever reason. his speech got a lot of applause but warren had a totally different energy in the room of people standing up every second, chanting her to run. no one is chanting, run, joe, run. there was a lot of run, liz, run. much more excite about her. wait, the biden speech was only 40 minutes? it was only yeah. he had some great lines but he really takes the air out of the room for talking for so long.