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Jets out of ukrainian air space by and large, so that the tanks and the troops on the ground can do their thing. paula? no matter the debate on military strategy, you can see zelenskyy being quite frustrated there. what more did we learn from that wall street journal interview, because he was incredibly blunt. reporter: he was. this was a long interview, quite a wide-ranging interview and blunt on quite a few topics. one of them was nato. he said that, look, he understands that ukraine cannot join nato wile the country is at war. but he also said that he is looking for a hint from nato that it will, in fact, be able to join once the war is done. and if he s not going to get that hint at the next nato summit next month, there s no point in ukraine showing up. he also compared russian president vladimir putin to a cornered animal, saying that, look, the world needs to isolate russia and it needs to isolate russia more powerfully, meaning that russians shouldn t get visas to leave t ....
Where they are, but push them out of ukrainian territory and reestablish the borders they have had here since 1991. they also want to stop these large scale missile attacks that we ve seen and to do that, the argument has been that they need to have the capability to target the source of the attacks. the bases where they re coming from. not just intercept them once they ve already made it into ukrainian air space. what those two drone strikes, particularly yesterday at those airfields, previous attacks they have launched missiles from those bases. it appears ukraine is making an effort to stop those attacks at the source and not only appearing to make an effort, but seeming to have been somewhat successful doing it without western weapons, right? russia s ministry of defense is saying the drones used here were soviet drones. ukraine still wants more from the west. they want systems that have been developed in the united states that can fire things that far, but so far, that s not somet ....
The u.s. or other allies have been willing to give them. but this is significant from a military standpoint, potential shift point, if you will, where we re seeing ukrainian forces appear to be attacking russia much further into russian territory versus just intercepted them once the missiles, artillery is already in ukrainian air space. thank you very much. and joining me now is former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfall. it s been a long time. thank you for joining us today. i was curious after learning about these air strikes, two things and i thought there s no one better to ask this right now. one, what is the reaction to these explosions within russia and then two what does it mean for putin s grip on power there? well, with respect to your first question, we need to break it down. the russian government and russian society, right? the russian government is claiming that these are terrorist attacks. ....
Intercepting them once they are in ukrainian air space. if those first two attacks yesterday morning were carried out by ukraine, it seems to suggest that maybe they are moving in that direction. one thing that s interesting is russia s ministry of defense says the drones used in that first attack yesterday morning on those two russian airfields were soviet drones. they were using hep weps they already had. they used this long length of a distance. ellison barber, thank you so much. at least the lights are back on in kyiv for now. i know they have been a lot of attacks on the power grid. but at least kyiv has electricity. that does it for this edition of andrea mitchell reports. we have a quick update from the world cup where this a major upset spain has been eliminate ....
Do we have enough defenses? no. i don t think we have enough at all. is it enough to make 100 or 1,000 calls? probably not enough either. a few. but i m ready to make 1,000 calls if every call i make results in more air defense systems. i m ready to stay on the phone and just do that. it s difficult. a joint decision on the protection of ukraine, ukrainian air space, will definitely help us. and all the answers are there. i m sorry, it s not even like the start of the covid epidemic. when people didn t know what to do about it, when we needed to create a vaccine and it didn t exist, there is a vaccine against russian strikes and we know it. there s a vaccine against russia and we know exactly which countries have it. and in what amounts. and i would say, frankly, there are even countries that have a ....