heading into this nato summit. what is it? yeah. i think it is as i said, i think it is a desire to make it clear to everybody that this is not nato going to war against russia. this is russia fighting ukraine and everyone is trying to help ukraine survive and defend itself and we don t want to confuse that messaging. but that being said, i think we have to start thinking about the long-term. nato s job, its only real job is the security and defense of its members. and we have seen that with ukraine outside and a few other countries outside, these gray zones that are there in europe, that s been an invitation to violence in europe. it has been an invitation by putin to attack georgia, to attack ukraine. so, in the future, we re actually going to have to bring countries like ukraine in if we want to deter future war in europe. that s the long-term perspective. i want to give you a second to clear your throat. you have that catch in your throat i get sometimes that makes it impossibl
for reshaping the international system, the demands for ukraine outside of nato, frankly smoke and mirrors, has nothing to do with ukraine and nato. ukraine is nato is probably quite some time off, even under optimal circumstances. it is all about folding ukraine back into its orbit. one thing we need to remember, right now vladimir putin is holding the initiative for the past year. he s been calling the shots, he s been orchestrating these different probing attacks, and the response has been mainly unbalanced toward reaction. and i think we need to start really seriously considering and i know there are many voices that are starting to think in this direction about graduated response options, graduated costs and position measures so that russia starts to feel some pain from this, not just a small hit in the pocketbook from deploying all the forces, but something to indicate that russia can t maintain this at a
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we hope that it will find u.s. sources and because of migration increasing and they are bombing civilians. dana: critical humanitarian aid for ukraine is facing roadblocks keeping some from getting to where it s needed most. several organizations have teams on the ground in ukraine moving tons of supplies. numbers are down as russia strange also supply line and ukraine says more help is needed. sarah is a co-founder of save our allies. you first met her talking about benjamin hall s rescue from ukraine. her organization made it happen. are you in ukraine outside of lviv. what is the need and what have you seen so far? thanks for having us. the need is great. the commitment not only from the ukrainian people fighting
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