but once again i think the cautious policy of president obama that he applied in libya eventually worked. and i think the same kind of pragmatic policy of tightening the noose, being strong in terms of international sanctions, hopefully, will do the same to assad as what happened with gadhafi. jenna: you ve met with president assad in the past, and i m curious your thoughts on thousand approach a leader on how to approach a leader like him at this point. where, obviously, syria is located is so crucial in the middle east, and its implications are a lot different than libya. what would be your strategy besides the sanctions? is there something else that should be done at this moment? well, he s very hard line, assad, he is so insulated. he has a dayty complex deity complex. i think it s very difficult to try to negotiate with him directly either through envoys,