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it s really the federal agencies refusing to follow federal courts in california, nebraska, north dakota, utah, rhode island. that s what this is about. martha: this is case of someone who fell through the cracks and manyinged to pull off a heinous release managed to pull off a heinous release of a gun that ended in her death. you represented him to the beth of your ability and it goes to the federal system. mr. gonzalez, thank you very much. good to have you here tonight. thank you. martha: joining me now is david lowell, conservative commentator with strong feelings about this case as well. david, you heard my conversation with mr. gonzalez. your thoughts? yeah, well, first of all, counsel completely ignored the issue of illegal reentry into america by someone convicted of a felony. that crime alone is prosecutable and results in a ten-year sentence. forget about the gun charges that were also a sentence that the feds would go after and go
and it accidently discharged. although he claimed he was shooting at sea lions in the san francisco bay. if he is convicted in federal court he is facing up to ten years in prison. if he is equited he would be deported acquitted he would be deported for a sixth time. martha: thank you. joining mel for an exclusive interview matt gonzalez, jose garcia zarate s defense attorney. those were strong words from tony sarah who will take it from here on the federal case. do you agree with him? well, it s not a question for me to answer. the question whether or not it s a vindictive prosecution is one that tony will make in court. he is committed to fighting the cates as strong as he can. martha: so i mean, i don t understand what he is arguing. the steinle family has ever right to see it through to the federal fruition and the federal court has every right to continue to follow through on the charges.
this case was used as a means to foment kate, to foment division and to foment a program of mass deportation. it was used to catapult a presidency along that philosophy of hate of others. martha: do you believe that mr. zarate had a right to be in this country? i think the point that he was making is this was a case from the outset was a ricochet so the bullet struck very close to where mr. garcia zarate was seated. we have never seen a murder case in san francisco based on a ricochet. so it only came to the forefront because our current president elected to use it in his campaign. i think that is the point he was trying to make. martha: i think the point that has been made about this case is that this is an innocent woman who was walking
you know he faces a tough liberal opposition, people who view people like mr. zarate as important to them maintaining the power. he will give it his best shot. you may want him on next week. i could get interesting. martha: we will watch it. thank you. good to see you. coming up this evening, the buzz about the book. fire and fury. now putting the author under scrutiny. a look at the tactics and the background of michael wolff. get you caught up to speed on that past and present. chris stirewalt, emily are here with the take. growing body of the reporting and the latest from the new york times says mueller s case for collusion may be very thin if not falling apart. which is what the president has long argued. former d.o.j. attorney jay christian adams, says attorney general sessions should not have recused himself. he joins us with his big story tonight coming up next.