don t know. i mean, it s a good question. i think understanding why a jury reaches a verdict is something that every single trial lawyer in the country would love to be able to answer honestly look, a lot goes into a jury verdict that doesn t even include what happened at the trial. the decisions that are made before the trial, the decisions that the court makes, and that the parties decide about witnesses a call, what evidence to put in i think that at the end of the day it remains true that if the word of michael cohen was not accepted at all, then you could not have convicted president trump. and the jury convicted. so at the end of the day they they looked past what we thought were were fatal flaws and mr. cohen s story and his past and they ve reached a guilty verdict right. but it wasn t just the word of michael cohen. i mean, there was other evidence in this case, the documents they wanted to rehear, david pecker s testimony. i mean, they took all of that into consid
45th president of the united states, as a convicted felon, and donald trump s lead attorney, todd blanche well, join me live. i m kaitlin collins, and this is the source it s one of those where were you kind of moments in american history when the verdict came down on donald trump today. gil we ll t guilty, guilty reverberating 34 times over as the former president s that stone-faced and that new york courtroom about are how you feel about this case or about donald trump, the man. it s an extraordinary stain on the office of the presidency and on donald trump s already tarnished legacy he ll be back in that very same courtroom for sentencing in this case on july 11. that happens just days before he takes the stage for the republican national convention accepting his party s nomination for president but this time as a convicted felon, we saw donald trump earlier raising his fist and defiance it s to the crowd that had gathered outside trump tower like this evening. i