infamous insurrection. she drew on the front row seat to provide new damning details of the attempted coup. today, this was the sixth insurrection hearing. we tried to cover them precisely. the first hearing detailed violent crimes by many, though sometimes without clear causal links to trump. another hearing shows the liability of trump appointees and lawyers raising questions about donald trump s own role. other hearings featured republicans from pence s office at the state level and on this program we report how some parts of some of those hearings did fall short. those hearings all had in their own way very important material, but not every hearing has been a blockbuster when it comes to evidence. today s hearing delivered the evidence. firsthand smoking gun evidence on trump s mind and overt acts for violence in the attempted coup. let me repeat that reporting up front. proving crime requires proving the state of mind and overt action. today s hearing features and featur
clavicles. nick, what is the level of this testimony as criminal evidence? it s pretty spot-on. i mean, what we didn t know about before today, and we had a hunch at least it was mybidd. he was not going to send the electoral votes back to the states. he wasn t going to disregard them. so, what trump what it showed today was trump as final game plan was to use violence, was to stop the vote of the electoral count through violence. is this i m just pressing you on thisser if precision. in your mind, is this the first time we have had an eyewitness inside the trump white house directly link him to encouraging armed violence? that s right. before, we had nobody, not forget inside the white house, we had no evidence linking trump
the morning of the 6th about the rhetoric of the speech that day. fight for trump. we re going to march for the capitol. i ll be there are if you. fight more me, what we re doing, fight for the movement. we re going walk down, and i ll be there with you. we re going to walk down to the capitol. it was becoming clear to school bus the secret service that capitol police officers were getting overrun at the security barricades outside the capitol building, and they were having they were short people. staff believed that mogul, the president, was, quote, going to the capitol. we have a breach of the capitol. breach of the capitol! we ve lost the line. we ve lost the line. when president trump left the stage at 1:10, the staff knew that rioters had invaded the inaugural stage. i called mr. renato to confirm we were not going to the capitol. we were not going up to the capitol. we were not going up to the capitol amidst the march, the
interesting. he was seeking a pardon, which means he was aware of criminal liability. if there s a real probe, if merrick garland looks at this and says, i have to go further, meadows may get a pardon by other means. immunity is a different route. i gave nick several legal questions i give you, your overall reaction to today? you said before this is not about what you guesstimated what was happening with donald trump. i think that, you know, a good rule of thumb with trump is that whatever you think of him, the truth is probably worse. it won t be a prize to anyone who s seen me on the show or read my column that i have a low opinion of donald trump, but i was still shocked to see him lunging at his secret service. i also thought this wasn t the most legal salient details but he often threw plates around and pulled out the table cloth,
physically clashing with the agent to get to the capitol, is it your interpretation then that he wanted to get to the capitol in that hour in that desperate intensity because he thought if he got there to join the armed insurrectionists he might pull this off and stay in office? yes, absolutely. absolutely. it s like general washington or napoleon or any great leader going to the head of the crowd, the head of the army to sort of surge them over. for trump, that mattered to him. but what it goes back to, the scrambling in the moment, trying wanting to go to the hotel and being told not to, the president wanting to go to the hill and being told not to, it begs the question i m curious more now about the conversations between meadows, cipollone, and mccarthy. i m more interest in the how those individuals communicated