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thank you, wolf. joining us now, cnn political analyst and new york times washington correspondent maggie haberman, who s been reporting extensively on all of this. maggie, thanks for joining us. i know you have been reporting on how unhappy the former president has been with meadows. does this lawsuit appear to be, at least in part an attempt from meadows to please the former president by emulating what he does, specifically sue people? it s hard to say, wolf. it s clear that this is something that is a trump tactic and we have seen it time and again. we also did see it from a former deputy national security council aide during the impeachment trial as well. where he was trying to delay having to be or oppose being called in as a witness. and so it s not completely, you know, new ground here. but it certainly is the donald trump playbook is to sue, to either try to delay or stall or just completely undo what s happening. i don t know exactly when ....
Official at the office of management and budget refusing to ascertain who the winner of an election is, a cure for that too. so very important reforms. congressman schiff, thanks as usual for joining us. thank you, wolf. joining us now, cnn political analyst and new york times washington correspondent, maggie haberman, who s been reporting extensively on all of this. maggie, thanks for joining us. i know you have been reporting on how unhappy the former president has been with meadows. does this lawsuit appear to be, at least in part, an attempt from meadows to please the former president by emulating what he does, specifically sue people? it it s hard to say, wolf. it it s clear that this is something that is is a trump tactic and we have seen it time and again. we also did see it from a former deputy national security council aide during the impeachment trial, as well. where he was trying to delay having to be or oppose being called in as as a witness. and so, it ....
V a very, very tough situation. but it s also kind of bittersweet because on the other hand, as this settlement makes clear, this should never have happened. and to, you know, acknowledge the fact that we have gone through all of this for nothing is a little bit tough. but i m trying to put that behind me and just focus on the positive. well, the thing is, what people don t realize is that the you know, they tried to destroy you, right? and this not only affects you. it affects your family, it affects your wife, your kids, those close you to, your parents, and on and on, for something, the sleepless nights, i m sure, and all the other issues you had to deal with, the financial aspect of it, for something that did not have to happen just because people were out to destroy you. this is a trump tactic, this is a trump supporter tactic, this is a trump acolyte tactic. and it s something that he has injected into the culture. yeah, that s absolutely right. i mean, look, it s been incr ....
well, the thing is, is that what people don t realize is that, you know, they tried to destroy you, right? and this not only affects you. it affects your family, your wife, your kids, those who are close to you, your parents, and on and on and on for something that the sleepless nights, i m sure and all the other issues you had to deal with, the financial aspect, for something that did not have to happen because people were out to destroy you. this is a trump tactic. this is a trump supporter tactic. this is a trump acolyte tactic and it s something he has injected into the culture. that s absolutely right. it s incredibly tough for us and tough on my family and my wife and my parents. but, look, americans go through tough things every day, right? 700,000 of us died in the last year and a half, and, god willing, i am still incredibly lucky that didn t happen to us. but it is on the bigger ....
Investigation over ukraine. to the other impeachment. to all the other serious investigations and. between all the trump guys think they figured it out. as long as you just drag things out, refused to cooperate, they hints and, the threats that something bad might happen to you if you don t fire subpoena, that never really comes the much, no one ever really gets in trouble don t worry about it. better to risk that inchoate, sort of theoretical worry, better to risk that then potentially help anybody who s investigating trump s election client. so bannon is defying the subpoena, the only problem with bannon taking this tack with a generous investigators is that, those investigators also, all live through the trump investigations of the past five years. they re all wives to this as a trump tactic of delay, and distraction, during investigations. that s why the january six investigators have been saying so insistently that they re not ....