think one of the big things he always loved to talk about and have conversations about was the concept of an african way of seeing interdependence and defining humanity is basically a cooperative enterprise. that was one of the big things we had conversations about, but i also think the arch was someone who wanted to embrace difference. he did not see a colour blind world. he didn t think god saw the world in that kind of way. he was was about embracing that which is different, because difference is what keeps us alive in this biological world. did difference is what keeps us alive in this biological world. this biological world. did he ever seak this biological world. did he ever s - eak to this biological world. did he ever speak to you this biological world. did he ever speak to you about this biological world. did he ever speak to you about what - this biological world. did he ever. speak to you about what happened following the trc hearings, because many black south africans,