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Order relative to a quid pro quo. and in the transcript itself, what the republicans are going to try and do is bring this back to the transcript itself, which there is no quid pro quo. and there s also no what he asked for was an investigation. pee didn he didn t ask for them to find him guilty without a trial without due process. he didn t ask them to dig dirt. that is the dirt. as soon as i hear jimmy schultz is under investigation, he s got stink on him. a lot of people have a lot of problems with what hunter biden was engaged in. that s fine. you should have gone to the d.o.j., not had your lawyer do a shadow situation. i don t think giuliani should be the fall guy for what this president wanted him to do. this wasn t about foreign policy, this was about personal policy but i got to jump. i appreciate the argument. we ll see what the american people think. 100%. people have to do their duty and ....
That a problem? sure, we had that with mueller, right, now that we are removing hearings leland: this isn t about mueller, this is about something else. right. leland, we have to remember that the vast majority of congress has been kept in the dark, i m very fortunate to be on on the house foreign affairs committee and been in depositions, 75% of my colleagues have not been in the deposition, how are they supposed to make decisions leland: back to the original question, what is the first thing in chair committee, we will start with this, what have you been able to read and see in foreign affairs committee that you view as culpatory evidence, no, i agree with the republicans? well, i would just say the transcript itself, i read the transcript, there s nothing in the transcript that gives me ....
Cipollone and mulvaney were on opsid sides of that. they have been at odds since the transcript, that bad fact set of the president s or the rough transcript of the president s conversation with the president of ukraine came out. it was cipollone s decision to release it. mulvaney objected, as had others. the transcript itself, a lot of people in the white house and on the hill will say is, as you put it, just not a great set of facts to explain or defend. and so because of that, because of that, because of what mick mulvaney said last week from the briefing room podium and because of the president s decision to which he then pulled back, to hold the g7 next year at his own personal club in miami, you have folks on the hill feeling like there s just a bridge too far in what they can defend here. so they re talking about process. but there s basic agreement among witnesses who have gone to the hill on what took place around this ukraine controversy. and none of that is beneficial ....
Been doing much tv or anything because i ve been trying to study the history of the three presidential impeachment proceedings and then compare it to all the evidence in ukraine that s come out over the last few weeks. and my ultimate conclusion and this will be part of a longer writing project is that i think that the president is going to be impeached. i don t think that he has any valid arguments to the contrary, and it s very, very serious. and it started with, of course, the transcript, which the president himself has released on july 25th. so when he goes and attacks the whistle-blower, i think schiff is absolutely right. the whistle-blower is not necessary at all. he started the chain of events, or she started the chain of events. but now we have the transcript itself, and then every day brings new evidence that s all damaging to the president, whether it s one of his former ambassadors saying something untoward happened. today john bolton, just a few hours ago, saying giuli ....
Transpired and we ve also been able to learn from our own reporting. so i think members of congress that are saying that, oh, this is hearsay and should not be believed, it s, i think, getting tougher and tougher to make that argument. evan perez, thanks so much. we ll check back with you. here to discuss is former republican congressman and house manager in president clinton s impeachment trial, bill mccullum. bill, good to see you again. good to be with you. thank you. what is your reaction to the news that there is now a second whistleblower who has come forward with firsthand knowledge of trump s actions? i m not surprised that you would see those who were relied upon apparently by the first person come forward. that s what we need to see. we need to see people come forward and hopefully in public and tell us about what they observed, if it s any different from the transcript. the transcript itself, in my opinion, does not express anything of a criminal behavior or to be ....