and china and other countries. well, let s talk about it. with us tonight nelson cunningham former federal prosecutor who was also a special advisor to president clinton and josh gerstein. nelson, i d like to begin with you. is robert mueller the american who is most interested in what goes on at this meeting in helsinki, finland, with trump, putin and just the interpreters? and part two of my question, a serious question, can justice be obstructed inside that room at that summit? that s a great question. what we re seeing, i think, is the work of two duty bound prosecutors, robert mueller and rod rosenstein who see their president is about to go for a historic summit meeting with vladimir putin. at the same time mueller knows he s sitting on clear evidence that there was indeed russian involvement in the hacking of the dnc. and he has feels the need to
that we have had the first read out, that we have learned sometimes unintentionally what happened in the room. is there a chance that that is the case on monday, whatever the white house tries to either lay out or not lay out after this meet something. yeah, we could get a far more candid assessment perhaps from the russians than we do from our own white house. but it s going to be virtually unverifiable. i mean with so few people in the room i m not entirely sure how we re going to be able to litigate these contesting versions of the truth when they re presented side by side unless, of course, it turns out that the white house and the russians are in complete alignment on what took place, which is also a possibility i wouldn t rule out under the circumstances. gentlemen, terrific discussion tonight. weighty topics to be sure. our thanks to nelson cunningham, josh, really appreciate it. coming up, spear-phishing, malware, aliases.
glen was just a starting prosecutor. welcome to you both. mimi, i have to ask, what does today s document tell you about where we are in this thing and where mueller is and where he s going? well, i think this was mueller s way of rounding out the framework for this whole russian collusion election conspiracy that we ve been talking about. the first russian indictment, you know, was about the social media influence. everyone s been sort of expecting this part to come about the hacking, but i think what it does is it tells us in such great detail, you know, and shows the meticulousness and again the detail of mueller s work. and so now we have the framework, and now what s left to come is were there u.s. citizens involved in helping this? and i really think this indictment just screams out that there are and that more
tell that story. so he tells the story in a way that a prosecutor can tell a story. prosecutors can tell stories through indictment. they can tell stories through court filings or they can tell stories through trials. this was a 29-page indictment. extraordinarily long for an indictment. it s what we call a speaking indictment that lays out in great detail all these crimes. and it s pretty clear to me that mueller did that so he could get this story on the record. he could go to rod rosenstein, allow him to put it on the record before the president went in. the last thing you d want is for the president of the united states to go into a meeting with vladimir putin not knowing the evidence that his own government had obtained about russian efforts to interfere with the election. i think they did him a service. and what about what is said and not said in that meeting, nelson? well, president trump has a habit of speaking to vladimir
prosecutor. welcome to you both. i have to ask what does today s document tell you about where we are in this thing and about where mueller is where he s going? well, i think this was mueller s way of rounding out the framework for this whole russian collusion election conspiracy that we ve been talking about. the first russian indictment, you know, was the about the social media influence. everyone s been sort of expecting this part to come about the hacking, but i think what it does is it tells us in such great detail, you know, and shows the meticulousness and again the detail of mueller s work. and so now we have the framework, and now what s left to come is were there u.s. citizens involved in helping this? and i really think this indictment just screams out that there are and that more indictments are coming. and i do believe it s dangerous to make predictions,