it is bound to be the hottest year ever, what can we still do about it? author jon fallon, helps us find some hope amid this heat. this is american voices! we begin this hour with a warning for gop voters, donald trump is a loser, it s a message republican presidential candidate will hurd is preaching to anyone who will listen, and in iowa heard predicted friday that if the parties sticks by the twice indicted twice impeached former president, then the party will get what he got the last time. donald trump is not running for president to make america great again, donald trump is running to stay out of prison, and if we elect, i know, i know, i know. listen, i know the truth. the truth is hard. but if we elect donald trump then we are willingly giving joe biden four more years in the white house, and america cannot handle that. will hurd got booed telling the truth, telling the truth! it was the latest sign that the gop voters are not weighty to move on from trump so at wh
The next election that can win. joining me now, jonathan, editor of the bulwark, and tom ethical. staff writer at the atlantic. i was looking forward to this conversation, folks, this is gonna be fun, jonathan those polls out there showing the gop nomination is trump s to lose. but the general election is a different ball game here, so what is your thoughts on the republican base understanding that sticking with trump actually means they re not gonna win against biden next year? michael, i don t know that that s what it means, because this is the terrifying part, will hurd makes the argument that the reason republicans have to move away from trump s because they nominate trump they will lose, and that would be nice to think, i would like to think that nominating a guy who s been indicted twice and will be indicted again, would lead to him losing, but right now trump is running five points ahead of where he was in 2020 against biden, he s, if you look at the polling average,
Ron desantis who is floating this idea that if you become president, he will pardon trump. is this a missed opportunity for the sentence once again to carve out that space by the donors want him to carve out to go after trump? yes, it is. at this point desantis has been damaged goods. it s exactly what tom says. imagine if we are at the augusta beating trump decides not to show up. the moderator asks the republican candidates about the indictments against him. those republican candidates with the exception of chris christie are going to sit around and mouth the same defenses that trump himself will be making. that is like the weird topsy-turvy world that we live in where not only are the other republicans on going to go after trump for the indictments, we are going to defend him against them and that is why i don t think that they make any difference in the base. desantis has missed his chance, and i think it is because he never he always thought worse comes to worse, i could finis
And that, you know, ask chris christie what happens when you miss your moment. history presents its moments once to people. never twice. and it is a huge mistake. he should have gone for starting six months ago, ten months ago, and instead he was afraid of being on the wrong side of the republican base and maybe correctly. maybe he said this is a cold and i know i will never be able to shake people loose of it. so i m just going to abide my time. maybe that is the correct judgment. but it doesn t mean that he s never really playing to win. not playing to win. and that is what the game is all about. you ve gotta play to win. jonathan, tom, thank you
Base that it seems to have largely checked out of this process to get them to check back in to eclipse trump. to be very honest i don t think that it is possible. there is a narrow chance of it, because we are an active god away, and donald trump is the old, he could have a health event as much as joe biden could, it is possible the next indictment will magically make trump unpalatable for some reason to voters. it is not worth giving up. i don t think anybody should ever give up. who passed has the last word. but you have to be serious about not laying a predicate that is going to make it harder for biden to beat trump in the general election. the idea is that we have to stop trump at all costs. do that, but don t in the process, create off-ramps for republican voters to stick with trump in 2024 by pretending that joe biden is the second coming of karl marx. there is that. tom, you have nbc news reporting that reads quote, most of the 2024 candidate field has been the past two and