savage, supreme court correspondent for the los angeles times. host: professor kenji yoshino you have written a very interesting very thoughtful account of the 2010 trial in san francisco where to couples challenged california s ban on same-sex marriage. this was a trial that neither side wanted. tell us why you decided to go back and write a book now. guest at david first of all thank you so much for doing this interview. it s my great pleasure to be here today. i really got into thinking about this trial after chief judge ron walker issued his 136 page opinion with findings of fact on august the fourth of 2010 and i looked at that opinion and as somebody who has been working in the gay rights feel this opinion but different in kind from anything i had seen before. it s just thoughtfulness generally and so i asked my library and to pull the transcript of the trial and she came up with it in 13 volumes 2000 page transcript of the trial in closing arguments. when i first s