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And obviously with the russians most feared and are most the ukraineout is gravitating to the west more than it already has, meaning becoming part of the european union, or nato. Ussia will be proxies the separatist will sustain their influence in the ukraine in that manner. Mr. Quigley do you see the status remaining the way it is everything there is renewed conflict at different times, but no dramatic change recently it is . Obviously there is renewed conflict at different times, but no dramatic change recently. Mr. Clapper i think they will maintain the status quo, but there are incidents occurring on the line that has been drawn the of the minsk agreement based on upstart separatists that the russians do not control. John, do you want to add to that . John there has been some movement with the minsk agreement, but are have been shortcomings. Your characteristic characterization of a frozen conflict there are questions about how the russians will extricate themselves from this, whic

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