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It has sabotage features to it it s perfectly acceptable to pretend that you are accepting a more moderate ideology until you get out. that s built into the system. the other thing that happens is you spend all this time trying to convince them that the beliefs that are inherent in the quran and the hadith are not exactly what they appear to be and then you release them back into a community where we have mosques that are teaching violence ideology. like taking alcoholic, giving them some kind of treatment and releasing them in a bar. brian: i m struck, too by reading you re book. if you talk to gang members they don t have education. they get involved in the only family they know and that s a street gang. this is different. dr. zawahiri is a pediatrician. khalid sheikh mohammed is anything but ignorant. you sat with him for hours. he is not a blood thirsty irrational guy. he believes he s doing the right thing. that kind of makes it harder. you have to outintellectualize the terrorist ....