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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:25:00

I wonder what you thought of it. well, she is able to provide a counter to what has been the defining black voice on the supreme court since justice thomas was appointed and confirmed to the court. and when she is brought, it s a perspective about reality. what is happening on the ground in terms of law and the realities of people in our country, we know that the supreme court itself, many americans say it is out of touch with the average american. but justice thomas s jurisprudence is are also deeply out of touch with the average american experience, including the average black americans experience. and justice ketanji brown jackson was able to speak to that. you know, there is a way in which the court has suggested that it is leading to originalism and textualism. and by what she s been able to do in this court is to be able to show and expose that the court s originalism is really opportunistic. it is quiet selective. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:24:00

Matter more. justice jackson s argument does not carry the day today, in a 6 to 3 court. but i have to say, in the first year on the court, particularly, just bought a new vigor energy to the major questions of civil rights, race, and the constitution, particularly as conceived of in the crucial second pounding of this country, in the 14th and 15th amendments during reconstruction. as we have seen from conservatives, like justice thomas, this scent can become a majority overtime. and justice jackson is charting a path for the court to fall over the decades to come if we are lucky. michelle goodwin is a professor at university of california irvine law school. jamelle bouie is a columnist for the new york times. and both join me now. michelle, i don t think the majority s decision today either the makeup of the majority or the substance of it was particularly surprising. but i saw a lot of people reacting very strongly to, in particular, justin jackson s dissent. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:31:00

This is bucky on affirmative action. looking at that decision, the court does uphold affirmative action that bears backwards allowed, explicit racial quotas. so it was 1978, the u.s. at that point was like 12 years into its very new history as a multi racial democracy. and you already have people on the court being like, okay, that s enough. yes, that s typical. in 1866, and the veto, massachusetts civil rights act, johnson says, it s been too long. you can t give this help to black americans. we can t extend it for this long. in 1883, civil rights cases, the court and its majority opinion says how long is the negro head corner be special in the laws. so, this is a typical rhetorical strategy to say everything is taking too long and we have to have an answer now. michele goodwin and jamelle bouie, thank you both for joining us tonight. appreciate it. thank you. still ahead new reporting suggests the ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:09:00

Kind of affirmative action. just think about that moment for a second, now having seen some of this man s trajectory to power. they think he hates more than anything, that wounds his pride, is to be viewed as being less than or not qualified, as being in affirmative action case. and yet, at every key juncture in his life, he s asked about it over and over again. and for thomas and the conservative majority in the court, it all boils down to this nebulous concept of merit, of qualified, who is deserving of opportunities and who is not. but i think that misses a point. it is really a question about what kinds of institutions, and what kind of society we want to have. do we want a society where people like clarence thomas, from the small town in georgia, just several generations removed from slavery and jim crow, selected, nurtured, and encouraged, or once in which they don t go to holy cross, ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240604 00:23:00

A supreme court ruling, one from justice sonia sotomayor, and one from the newest justice ketanji brown jackson. justice jackson is the third black supreme court justice in our nation s long history, the first black woman on the high court. today, she wrote the rare dissent that i think will be quoted for years to come. she writes, quote, with let them eat cake obliviousness today, the majority pulls the record and announces color blindness by all caveats, but deeming waste irrelevant in law does not make it so in life. no one benefits from ignorance, although formal race linked legal barriers are gone, race still matters to the lived experiences of all americans in numerous ways, and today s ruling makes things better, things worse, not better. justice jackson continues, quote, the best that can be said on the majority s perspective is that it proceeds ostrich like from the hope that preventing consideration of race will end racism. it will take longer for racism to leave us, and ulti ....

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