the legal, financial, political, and psychological angles to it all. we ve got it all covered we are also going to take yo back to where it all started 17 years ago, with an allege affair and figure out how we got to this point in time. and will examine the stunnin revelations this week from another investigation into trump. fulton county has another recording of a cal trump made pressuring an official to overturn the results of the 2020 election i m ayman mohyeldin, let s get started. tonight, we begin with the news everyone i talking about for better o worse. this morning, donal trump posted on social media claiming that leaks from the manhattan district attorney office indicate that he will b arrested this coming tuesday to be absolutely clear, nb news cannot confirm that claim and at this hour, there ha been no official announcemen from the manhattan da s office and no indication that charges have actually been filed against donald trump. that said, they were major
The republican party for speaker mccarthy to do that, as you say, for no reason othe than to put his foot on th scale of justice, and to pry try to prevent a forme president from getting indicte for crimes is far worse than donald trump s ravings of a ma man on social media. yeah, i completely agre with you on that one, matthew. david, i want to ask you about the public here. the years of news about donald trump it s had a numbing effect on a lot of americans a lot of americans probabl just want this guy to go away. they don t want to constantl hear about how he is testing our system and pushing the limits of our system to th brink. how do you think, a historic development, like a potentia indictment, if it does happen, would register with th american public? it think all the evidence o the last eight years - and i m sorry to say this is that whatever happens in th indictment will be viewed by many people, and viewed by commentators on all sides,
Through a political lens, with tribal eyes, political lens and he s done a great job of setting up this foundation tha i told you they are going to come get me, they hate me. these radical liberals, thes democrats. they want to destroy america that means destroying me, whic means destroying you as he talks to his voters and so that s how this will al play out we it s not the substantiv pros and cons this is a strong indictment, a week indictment it will play out as a politica act. and just what matthew said a moment ago about speaker mccarthy, and how he has politicized this - i mean, republicansgo on and on about the weaponization o government that is the best example of th weaponization of government by threatening a local official who is trying to go by the law by his view of the law so, i think this will not make donald trump go away this will not make people wh don t like donald trump like t
Devastating evidence that it just plays very poorly fo the defendant in a courtroom matthew dowd, the four four woman on the grand jury, emily kohrs told nbc that this phone cal lasted about four minutes. she calls at one point, that trump asked speaker rolston essentially asked him who woul stop him from holding a specia session to overturn th election, essentially asked hi who would stop him from holdin that special session and according to kohrs, ralsto responded, a federal judge that is who. what your reaction to this well, we continued it, as w have for a long period of time as we open up this box o donald trump, we continue to b amazed at the levels of whic he is willing to go up under and above any bounds of law an ethics and legality in this in order to maintain power in thi in the course of this to me, all of this is sad an is despicable. i think it is the behavior i
Second part first. he doesn t want to get ahead o the narrative because he doesn t want to be hel accountable. this is a guy who, throughou his entire life, has managed t slip and slither and push an cajole and yell and scream his way out of accountability. and now, when th accountability is moving close and closer and closer to mar-a-lago, he s doing the sam thing using every opportunit he can i actually think it s less about raising money and more about what happened in advance of january six he s trying and you already see it through some republican mouthpieces, who are saying, why are we doing this if this could cause a problem? as if we should hold off o justice because donald trump i going to push and pull peopl to do things they shouldn t do in the course of this. and i think he knows that. i think he knows that. the sad thing about all this though, ayman, is that he woul actually benefit in th republican primary from an indictment yeah, we are going to tal about the politic