indictments, charges, convictions, that the mueller probe brought on. how long can durham continue with this probe and could he drag this out indefinitely? because, again, democrats are sitting here watching us. they are being very respectful, they are not calling it a witch hunt. they are not calling it a waste of time. not in the same way that republicans attacked the mueller probe and undermined it for the two years that it ran. yeah, look, i think democrats are being very smart. first of all, we largely know that there is no there, there, to this republican conspiracy theory. also, what democrats know, ayman, is that the more republicans talk about hillary clinton and joe biden s stealing of the 2020 election, the russia investigation, also things. they are so far off the message from where they should be in this cycle. right? the republicans in this cycle actually probably have a net edge going into november if they would just focus on the contrast between joe biden s favorite b
but durham probe has now lasted longer than the mueller probe. it has not even gotten anywhere near the kinds of serious indictments, charges, convictions, that the mueller probe brought on. how long can durham continue with this probe and could he drag this out indefinitely? because, again, democrats are sitting here watching us. they are being very respectful, they are not calling it a witch hunt. they are not calling it a waste of time. not in the same way that republicans attacked the mueller probe and undermined it for the two years that it ran. yeah, look, i think democrats are being very smart. first of all, we largely know that there is no there, there, to this republican conspiracy theory. also, what democrats know, ayman, is that the more republicans talk about hillary clinton and joe biden s stealing of the 2020 election, the russia investigation, also things. they are so far off the message from where they should be in this cycle. right? the republicans in this cycle actu
think that this would be kept as confidential as it should be, and i think there would be word trickling out, and we haven t heard that, but i don t know whether there is an investigation or not. all i know is that there absolutely should be. so, first, do you agree that there should a doj investigation into donald trump and his allies in congress? heck yes. i mean, this is, like, i can t imagine more fundamental duty of the justice department than to investigate what happened when our capitol was attacked, yeah. i think absolutely. so, do you share dan goldman s assessment that and we all saw this, watched it unfold, largely in the papers of the new york times and the washington post, the mueller probe, what we saw was largely because lawyers representing various people who were called either couldn t keep their mouths shut or it just got out. do you share dan goldman s concern that because we ve heard nothing of anyone representing anyone going before any
for the 2016 trump campaign or his white house counsel. so there is a lot of unanswered questions here. to your issue what else was going on? yes, mcgahn was fighting with trump over the fact it had been leaked that he had trump had tried to get him to fire mueller and he refused right around that period. that, however, doesn t seem to be classified information. that would be the type that you could investigate using an instrument like this. there was an investigation that was spun off from the mueller probe that was happening in virginia when this subpoena happened involving michael flynn in turkey as opposed to russia. remember, the justice department was trying to get some of michael flynn s business partners being registered for agents and that was happening in the same courthouse at that time. michael flynn would have been in contact with mcgahn at least during the campaign. and this was also happening around the time of these this very controversial subpoena that went to appl
well, katie, just listening to you lay that out, i have to ask you, i mean, what merrick garland has done so far is to protect a deliberative part of a barr memo that came to be right around the end of the mueller probe, and you and your colleague, charlie savage, have been reporting all weekend about the biden justice department under merrick garland and lisa monaco, continuing to pursue the emails and phone records of your four colleagues. i mean, what is your sense of what the garland justice department might do? my sense that the garland justice department so far, in the few months that he has been the attorney general, is that he really believes deeply in the institution of the justice department and he believes deeply in protecting the institution and upholding all norms, even if people do not like the results. so for example, protecting the barr memo. he feels it s deliberative process. his justice department feels it s something that you would not reveal in any other admini