case. that s in addition to the d.c. grand jury, which all of this looks to have been under wrapless then external parties did learn about the florida grand jury when hit with subpoenas for potential witnesses. bloomberg has an item on that. now one witness testifying, at least one to the federal florida grand jury. another is expected. also when you talk about the escalating heat and clues we re getting about a largely closed probe, well, we re learning up to 20 of trump s secret service members have testified to that first d.c. grand jury smith convened in d.c. according to the new york times. because of the secrecy, no one can confirm what these grand juries are doing exactly. if people are charged for obstruction of justice that may be occurring in florida where trump and his memorably clashed with lawmakers over stolen material. or plans for the crime it might charge for working in
lawyer ty cobb shredding trump so much the former president is threatening to sue him. i think this obstruction case is a tight case and yes, i do think he ll go to jail on it. i d be telling trump that he s dead. he needs to you know, he needs to see what he can work out. i know for a fact that will never happen. trump is not capable of being accountable. he believes he can win, and he will never, ever admit guilt. that s the view of someone who actually sat with him at one point in much more secretive conversations, but cob was facing off against the mueller probe, which did squikt a string of trump aides and started the case against michael cohen, which added to the evidence used to indict donald trump in new york. campaign chair paul manafort went down that way. it was the mueller probe that yielded the damning testimony
who buries trump, but he s not going to be the one out there sticking his neck out. finally from legal experts, we heard a lot of intrigue about the indications near to end in the beginning. now we learn there s a whole new second grand jury, the kind of thing we ve cautioned viewers before is what complicates analyzing a black box, a secret operation like these kind of probes, at least when they re run quietly. given what we know at this moment, do you still think we re close to concluding actions in this probe? or it might be longer? i think we re close, but for me, close means two, three weeks. i disagree with my good friend andrew weissman who was talking about maybe this week. jack smith and his team are going to be trying to absorb the testimony of mark meadows and see if that changes anything. they just met with trump s attorneys. they re going to listen to the
from trump lawyers like don mcgahn, who a guest brought up randomly tonight to make the comparison. he cooperated like maybe meadows will, and mueller got other trump aides who knew the campaign in and out to cooperate like sam nunberg. he used his voice to about a tense probe. both special counsels are operating with great powers and a layer of independence in doj. the only difference, remember, is that mueller had a ceiling, a standing rule against indicting any sitting president. while smith, who has the same job title today, has the same powers and no ceiling, because there is no limit in doj rules or law, that would ever stop a prosecutor with evidence from indicting a former president. with all of that in mind, we turn to the aforementioned and former trump adviser sam
part of the team that was trying to discuss those matters with donald trump. then there s this and this is new as well. mark meadows lawyer telling the new york times that meadows maintained a commitment to tell the truth where he has a legal obligation to do so. the answer is no, not in maga land, not with a president who demand he is attack everything as a witch-hunt. the obligation to tell the truth, signal he s sending to people in the probe as well as certainly any prosecutor who might ever judge him is i m on board cooperating. then there s coup plot. the times reports that meadows and this so-called band of loyalists were fighting to keep trump in power, that he was the right-hand man to empower that group in the president s final, chaotic weeks in office.