thousand civilian there s who have taken shelter, and despite there could be 500 wounded men? i wouldn t put any trust in the russian side s word on doing that right now. and i think what many people may not realize is this last stand by the ukrainians in mariupol looked like the last stand in stalingrad in world war ii where soviet defenders were holed up, trying to beat back nazi troops. so it would be very bad, really, to allow that to happen, allow those ukrainian groups to come out and tell that story. so there is sort of that propaganda region too to hammer it and bury everybody. so basically level the thing flat, bury everyone underneath and be done with it. is that what you re saying? yeah, you can write the story you want on top of the rubble. if you let people come out of the rubble, they get to write part of the story too, eventually. and putin doesn t want that to