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Castro s. castro s basically saying no border. well, he s saying no section 1325 which criminalizes the crossing of the border. but the civil penalty currently 1325 have both criminal and civil penalties and he would just remove the criminal penalties. but what beto is saying is procedurally i would handle all these people the same way. i wouldn t impose the criminal penalty. i get it, lawrence. but i m just telling you open borders is not the way we beat donald trump. i think that s a good point. and i think all of these candidates or most of them, not every single one, that debate struck me as like the great debate at the end of donald trump s second term. as if trump wasn t there. i totally agree with you. so you can t do any of this stuff, right? you have mitch mcconnell to deal with as well, but you ve got to get rid of donald trump if ....
Things are valued right now. those great fortunes right now, they ve got their teams of auditors. they re all there because they use it as collateral. thank you, senator. thank you very much. good luck. we re going back to brian. beto o rourke is coming here somewhere. i m told he s in the crowd. he s going to pass senator warren, make his way to you. we re going to have a brief chat while you re doing that. nicolle and i were talking to donny deutsch earlier. donny, the rules of debate is if your name gets invoked you get 630 seconds especially if you re described by chris matthews as a new york money guy. i hope your family got a kick out of that. back to your original point as we watch beto o rourke make his way back to chris camera in true transparent fashion, do you still standby your wide quote? ....
Weight tonight. i think you got into the fight. i thought it was important you that and tulsi gabbard, the congresswoman from hawaii, were very good at bringing up the issue of war and peace. because that has been a concern of most of my friends on the progressive front ever since we got into that stupid war in iraq. and chris, we haven t learned our lesson. i mean, ten minutes away from war with iran. ten minutes away. and i wanted people to understand for me it s very personal and i think for so many americans. and look, i watched my dad suffer from the battle of okinawa for decades thereafter. and the whole family was affected. and our family ended up broken up and he ended up taking his own life. and that was the good war. that was the good war. but he didn t get the support we needed even with all the good we gave to our world war ii vets he didn t get the help. you know what s happening to the young people coming back from iraq and afghanistan. so how do we not learn the le ....
Debate. yeah, i think castro was so interesting tonight and i think you heard it bit there with chris in that his message tonight sort of i think aligns with where the political world has come to in this moment. immigration is one of the major points that castro is stressing. it s where he s tried to separate himself from the rest of the field. obviously being from texas, a border state and all that comes with that. i think what you saw in that debate tonight is a message that sort of matches potentially where the democratic party is in this moment and also somebody i think this is critical when you ve got ten candidates on stage like this, someone who s capable of delivering that message. caster and cory booker are interesting to me because they are two candidates early in their political careers were marked as people with national political potential. remember in 2012 who did barack obama choose as the keynote speaker at the convention that renominated him? it was julian castro. ....
You re going to do any of the stuff. if you re going to talk about any of these issues in this reasonable sounding way and whether 1325 should be repealed or just part of it ignored but we ve got a lunatic that almost bombed iran for kicks but live tweeted back instead. it was really sort of detached from we re in a moment, people, and i it was an interesting exercise but detached. it ll also be interesting to see and all kamt ricalicampaign managers are watching, forgive the phrase, on the fly. i mean, i m just saying, there are other candidates making their way to chris matthews. we re going to check and make sure they were all on stage tonight at tonight s debate. our coverage continues right after this. debate. our coverage continues right after this i can t tell you who i am or what i witnessed, ....