one of the things that happens, and you saw some of it tonight. i said to john, used to say the only place people shoot backwards in cowboy movies. the reason people are going after him. i mean pence initiated the first attack on ramaswamy. former vice president of the united states going after the youngest guy on the stage. because he is moving up in the polls. he s moving up in iowa, moving up in new hampshire. but presidential races are like pole vaulting. every time you clear a, bar the bar gets raised. it gets harder, he gets scrutinized more closely. we began to see that this week in the media. including in caitlin s interview of ramaswamy on some of his comments. it s not going to get easier for him. he s also trying to occupy space trump largely occupies. so he is not the issue but somebody is going to become the principal we re trying to become the principal alternative to trump. well and i think haley had a