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Other defendants they are our. because it is a rico case, trump was indicted along with 18 other codefendants. 19 people 19 all charged with being part of a criminal enterprise. just like how giuliani charge charged the commission in the 1980s. and last night, fulton county d. a. fani willis made it clear that she intends to try this whole criminal enterprise together. do i intend to try the 19 defendants in this indictment together? yes. now, we have seen plenty of high-profile cases against individual defendants play out in court over the past few years. the trial against trump s former campaign manager paul manafort, for example. we know how those trials work. but what about a case against 19 people? but what about a rico case? how will this all work? and now that all 19 of this these individuals are facing serious jail time, how soon until someone in this case flips? because make no mistake, as much as trump is surrounded by ....
Case intersect here? tell me definitively who gets priority here. i think there s a fair amount of overlap. and so i think the real question is, what is the former president do over the next course of days, weeks and months, to push her to move this trial up? she has already issued judge chutkan. judge chutkan has issued something of a warning. and i don t think, if he continues to try to put out social media posts that intimidate witnesses, arguably, that she is going to throw him in jail, or site him two for contempt. i do think there is a possibility that she decides i m going to move this trial of, as she warned him she would do, because she s worried about the integrity of the proceedings. and so if he continues to test her, i think we could see this case go before the georgia case, even though, obviously, the federal case is complex as well i think it is a possibility, even if there are delay attempts, that it could actually go before. yeah. it is more built for spe ....
Coconspirators here, in both a federal case in the georgia case, even someone like rudy giuliani is ultimately just a capo in this criminal enterprise. the big boss the endgame here is donald j trump. and the question tonight is, does the rico law that rudy giuliani built his career on does that ultimately ensnare donald j trump? joining me now is joyce vance former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, and laura jarrett, senior legal correspondent for msnbc news. laura and joyce, great to have you with us tonight. laura, let me start with you tonight. i want to start with the news we have about mark meadows because mark meadows today is filing for a change of venue. he has filed with the northern district of georgia to move fani willis s case against him to federal court. do you think such a move is likely? whether or not it will be successful will be up to the judge. let me just say, it s not ....
Rico cases, any conspiracy case, is messy. you have got if you ve got ten defendants, you ve got ten people making opening statements and cross examining witnesses and jumping up and saying, your honor, i object. so, it is a little bit different than the normal trial. but it s nothing that a prosecutor, and particularly one like willis, who has a number of these rico cases under her belt, isn t well equipped to handle. joyce, let me ask a follow-up on that. in terms of the penalties these folks are actually facing, there s a lot of back and forth around whether rico charges in georgia have a mandatory five year sentence or whether a convicted person can serve probation. also, whether it is five years in jail or a fine, or both i mean, how real is the legal peril here? right. so, anyone who is confused by georges statutory scheme is doing a really good job of reading the lot. because it is, in fact, really confusing. the statute the rico statute itself says that people who a ....
it s back in 1983, i think ron, when ron came to visit me to talk about putting together a rico case. at that point, we all thought that there was a possibility of putting together a case on the commission of the mafia. but it was on the drawing board at the time. and there were an awful lot of people, including people within law enforcement that thought that that was totally unrealistic, ridiculous, could not be done. rudy giuliani did it. the top bosses in new york s most powerful mafias were given 100-year prison sentences. and the case may giuliani famous. and he used that fame to ultimately run for mayor of new york and, well, you know the rest of the story. but now a version of the same law georgia s rico statute a version of that law could be rudy giuliani s downfall. of all the indictments former president trump faces, one of the things that makes yesterday yesterday s unique is how many ....