trillion worth of debt next year and over the next four years. who debt are we borrowing here? they re unwilling to step up to thelate and help democratso that work as i sai is irresponsible. thankou very muchor joining us tonight. really appreciate it tha you. and joining us now is a congressional historian, the emeritus scholar at the american terpri institute. norm, it sounds like the debt lit would probably have to go into t reconciliation bill. is that where we are? hat s clearly what mcconnell is trying to achieve. and there is something perverse about it from his perspective. as we know jmanchin and kyrsten sinema said, what s the rush here? let s take our time with this. what this debt limit hostage taking a reckless bavior