i don t see him leaving all this. we ll see if the judge rules that it is a conflict for him to represent nauta as well because essentially what prosecutors are saying is that if tavares, this employee who used to be represented by woodward gets on the stan, then woodward would be questioning him under cross-examination. he could possibly incriminate nauta. we learned that de oliveira is asking for an earlier trial date than the may 2024 date. is that unusual? it is. trump s not the only person who wants to delay their trial. but one of the key questions is here will these defendants be tried together or separate. usually if a defendant wants to be tried separately, a judge will try to respect that because it could be tough for him to sit there next to donald trump. so it s possible that if this happens by the way, this could be a tactical play because it would help trump to see de
trump affiliated lawyer. the witness is known formally in court documents as employee number four. nbc news has identified this person as you seal tavares, the i. t. director at mar-a-lago. and a very central player in the alleged crime involving the retention of classified documents in the destruction of evidence related to that crime particularly security camera footage. according to the special counsel, when trump employee 4 testified before the grand jury in the district of columbia, in march 2023, he repeatedly denied or claimed not to recall any contacts or conversation about the security footage at mar-a-lago. okay, so, when employee number 4, again yuscil taveras, said he knew nothing about any security camera footage, he had the same lawyer as trump s vallet and codefendant in this case, walt nauta. that lawyer, stanley woodward, was being paid by a trump pack. according to the special counsel, it appears that mr. taveras did not get to choose stanley woodward as his lawyer. s
appearing for court. but willis says he has to. as dual 19. trump has struck his agreement. scott, i want to talk to you about this development in the documents case. i just think this is a pretty striking detail here. jack smith s office saying look, we ve got this employee, he refused to do the thing that the boss wanted, according to the prosecutors office, which was delete footage. he had a trump world lawyer. he left that lawyer and the next day he came clean and said, and told us the truth. what does that say to you? that says i hear birds singing. can you hear them as well? they re going to be other birds singing who are either indicted or unindicted coconspirators in the federal case as well as the state case. tavares, i think that his name, is a really important witness, and again, trump has lost control of this individual because he clearly didn t like the advice and counsel of the trump appointed lawyer and so
someone just wants to make sure that carlos de oliveira is good. in response, the indictment alleges that that employee told walt nauta, that carlos de oliveira was loyal and would not do anything to affect his relationship with trump. that same day, according to the indictment, trump called carlos de oliveira and told carlos de oliveira that he would get him an attorney. and anderson, according to the indictment, carlos de oliveira was interviewed by the fbi earlier this, year in general, at his home. it was a voluntary interview, and it was recorded. according to the indictment, he was asked about trump s boxes in the location of them. the indictment says that carlos de oliveira denied knowing about the boxes of documents, and denied moving them. but here is the problem. according to the indictment, carlos de oliveira quote personally observed, and helped to move those boxes when they arrived at mar-a-lago in january of 2021. it is also why we are seeing this false statement charge