and so, we are criticising some elements of the conservation movement, which has a sort of blind desire to remove people everywhere from the land. of course people do bad things, but the indigenous people, the sort of people that survival represents, on the whole, are looking after it better than anybody else could. as you say, you have been a conservationist over six decades or so. and your most recent book, taming the four horsemen, considers how the planet can be sustained, how we need to adapt to all of the challenges facing the planet. indeed, on page four, you actually talk about the very severe threat of a pandemic. now, you wrote it before covid, then covid happened, covid actually happened to impact you very personally. you got desperately ill very early in the pandemic. what lessons do you personally, and should we all as a species, take, do you think, from covid? it has been an extraordinary two years. the world has changed radically, partly thanks to covid. it s the sort of
well, of course i m passionate about that. i ve been a passionate environmentalist all my life and there is a great dichotomy here to be discussed. but the greatjuggernaut of environmentalism and conservation, which has created national parks for the last couple of hundred years all over the world, like the great ones in america, which involved removing the tribal people. and they now realise that the environment which was created by the original plains indians in yosemite and places like that was actually the environment that we try to, that we recognise and respect today. and that was created by the people living in harmony with their environment and understanding it far better than we. we are onlyjust beginning to realise how badly we manage places than they did. and so, we are criticising some elements of the conservation movement, which has a sort of blind desire to remove people everywhere from the land. of course people do bad things, but the indigenous people, the sort of peopl
which involved removing the tribal people. and they now realise that the environment which was created by the original plains indians in yosemite and places like that was actually the environment that we try to, that we recognise and respect today. and that was created by the people living in harmony with their environment and understanding it far better than we. we are onlyjust beginning to realise how badly we manage places than they did. and so, we are criticising some elements of the conservation movement, which has a sort of blind desire to remove people everywhere from the land. of course people do bad things, but the indigenous people, the sort of people that survival represents, on the whole, are looking after it better than anybody else could. as you say, you have been a conservationist over six decades or so. and your most recent book, taming the four horsemen, considers how the planet can be sustained, how we need to adapt to all of the challenges facing the planet. indeed,
and fauna is vitally important, isn t it? well, of course i m passionate about that. i ve been a passionate environmentalist all my life and there is a great dichotomy here to be discussed. but the greatjuggernaut of environmentalism and conservation, which has created national parks for the last couple of hundred years all over the world, like the great ones in america, which involved removing the tribal people. and they now realise that the environment which was created by the original plains indians in yosemite and places like that was actually the environment that we try to, that we recognise and respect today. and that was created by the people living in harmony with their environment and understanding it far better than we. we are onlyjust beginning to realise how badly we manage places than they did. and so, we are criticising some elements of the conservation movement, which has a sort of blind desire to remove people everywhere from the land. of course people do bad things, bu
actually the environment that we try to, that we recognise and respect today. and that was created by the people living in harmony with their environment and understanding it far better than we. we are onlyjust beginning to realise how badly we manage places than they did. and so, we are criticising some elements of the conservation movement, which has a sort of blind desire to remove people everywhere from the land. of course people do bad things, but the indigenous people, the sort of people that survival represents, on the whole, are looking after it better than anybody else could. as you say, you have been a conservationist over six decades or so. and your most recent book, taming the four horsemen, considers how the planet can be sustained, how we need to adapt to all of the challenges facing the planet. indeed, on page four, you actually talk about the very severe threat of a pandemic. now, you wrote it before covid, then covid happened, covid actually happened to impact you very