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there virginia governor glenn youngkin who once campaigned as a moderate, he was in arizona this afternoon with quite the enthusiastic endorsement for lake. kari, you are awesome! [inaudible] it s your call. okay, we have to dig further into this. we bring in jason johnson, politics and journalism professor at mormon state university, and an msnbc political contributor. and so as matthew dowd, he s also a former george w. bush s strategist and founder of country over party. matthew, remember when glenn youngkin was the un-trump? and there is this notion that once trump was finally sidelined, these mainstream republicans would emerge again and make him leave the party. is that just a big, false notion? because when you ve got youngkin cheering on one of the biggest election deniers out there, how can you say he s anything but a hard-core trumper? well, if normal is defined

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