One school of thought, that is when the biggest trades were happening. The other uncertainty on a debt deal, questions about Central Banks and whether they did a coordinated thing but no information on that but there is talk of the. We will talk with nymex traders we will get to the bottom of it in a moment. There was an avalanche of selling in the entire metals complex. Take a look at silver getting taken to the woodshed, down 3 giving gold nothing compared to the casino mentality in silver and platinum under pressure off by 2 but copper if we flip it over, copper bucking the down trend, it was up a few cents earlier, this is very much related to a healthy auto industry. Copper gets its ph. D. In economics and if the economy is moving one way or another like china you might see copper moving lower but for the moment it needs to be that one area that sees a little strength. In terms of the Broader Market lets look at stocks would fall as a classes covered for you. It is a mixed bag. Yo