the children, et cetera, that are kind of ganging up to do this because this is a gigantic need. not since world war ii, haveby seen this many refugees in europe ask they are all damaged. trauma. this second wave is older, poorer, more fragile than the first wave. they are coming from the east where sthef opinion bombed. we saw a bus from car keechb where everybody s caped from kind of bombing. they talked about how houses had been destroyed and their husbands and brothers and targets remained there to fight. unbelievable. did you come pack with any new insights in how we talk about haas happening there? well, you know, you know how frustrating this all is. i think we, as journ ints, have to start talking about it in a different way. i think russia should be declared a state sponsor of terrorism. what is happen inning mariupol. there is no victory there.