he s interested in openness. that the white house is cooperating. he s basically saying the white house is obligated to comply with requests and he is complying with them. turning over e-mails, making witnesses available for interviews and so forth. if we were to have, say, a steve bannon universe defense team where the white house in essence went to war with bob mueller, that could lead to some very interesting results. as we ve seen the last couple days, mueller is playing for keeps. indicting without first speaking with defense counsel and it could become a very fierce, pitched battle if the defense strategy inside the white house changes. and it has been to cordon off certain individuals. also, take a listen to him speaking with chris hayes.