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That s true whether it s white house officials, members of congress or other journalists. he said it provides more insight. laura: i m not going to blame the new york times. you want people to give you stuff. i am talking about people not meeting. jonathan karl, right? george said fabulous. am i getting this right? jonathan karl. no, he wasn t there. it was stephanopoulos, cuomo, chuck todd. those three, univision anchor or reporter. and a few others. cbn s reporter was there. raymond arroyo was there. he s going to talk about it. not what happened but he was there. bret baier, not many people. one of those individuals. it s a pretty select group that you can focus on. i don t know who leaked it. laura: it goes to the angle. they leaked it because when president trump said, and i don t know why he would have said it, that it was a waste of time, that s not a really good thing to have said if he said that behind closed doors. it went to their narrative. ....
Tell the truth as he said to mr. stephanopoulos on july 2nd wlat was like working for a man in the private sector who lies, acts immorally or abusively and has no barriers on ethics. what is it like when you actually realize that this very same man who michael admitted to shamefully helping in his private sector job as an attorney when he recognized the same man was now president of the united states, he wants to tell a story about what caused him to change and to now want to tell the truth, how dangerous it is to have this very same man that acted this way in the private sector to have the powers of the presidency and how dangerous that is for his family and for his country. mr. cohen s testimony reflect a very busy executive and candidate in donald trump who is out of the loop or a detail oriented one who knew what was ....
The trump inauguration committee, and robert mueller look into the trump campaign and really, this list goes on and on. john, i think, perhaps, the president s legal team knows that there are blows that are landing, and knows there are others that will still come, which is why i think it was notable what rudy guiliani did over the weekend on the sunday shows, he was trying to dumb down accountability for the president here. i was looking at some of the things he said, among other things he said to stephanopoulos, collusion is not a crime, and if roger stone gave a heads up about wikileaks, that s not a crime. he was talking about the fact that he repeatedly changed stories to stormy daniels, and he said the president is not under oath. collusion is not a crime, and the president can lie as much as he wants in public with impunity, and that s the standard that rudy guiliani set. that s the standard they are ....
You agree? oh, yeah, i think every reasonable defense attorney would give the same advice. we remember very carefully the martha stewart case where they got her for talking to the f.b.i. and then flynn. look, the flynn case is fascinating. i hope the judge understands when he has the case tomorrow that flynn did not commit a crime by lying because the lie has to be material to the investigation. and if the f.b.i. already new the answer to the question and only asked him the question in order to give him an opportunity to lie, his answer even if false, was not material to the investigation. lying to the f.b.i. is not a crime. bill: why not just tell the truth especially if everybody knew what was going on? quickly on giuliani. you saw him on fox with chris wallace. you saw him on abc with stephanopoulos. did he show any cards in either of those interviews do you ....
He so desperately wants to be done with this whole affair and wants to stand up for himself and he wants to push back on donald trump that he s giving up further cooperation to do this. but how can you see it that way? he also said to george step none lou stephanopoulos that he didn t want to say more because he didn t want to hurt the investigation into russia. you can still say more but not compromise the investigation. if he had gone out and said here s exactly why i think donald trump is lying about the russia probe, here are all the examples, that would seriously compromise the investigation and that s something cohen would not want to do, regardless of his decision on further cooperation. m.j., we know in the sdny filing they don t see cohen as being fully cooperative with his ....