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minister laurence boone, welcome to hardtalk. thank you, zeinab. why have the authorities decided to ban the use of fireworks during the july 14th bastille day celebrations this year? so, you know, after the riots last week, things have calmed down. it has been a huge drama and obviously people were really moved. and there s also been some riot that are absolutely unacceptable. the tension has softened and it s gone away and we think the situation is under control. but usually bastille day is the opportunity of fireworks, celebration and sometimes obviously some incidents. so given how close we are to the time of the riots, it was better to calm things down and avoid this. as well, you know, in some areas of france, there has been drought, and with fireworks, we better be careful. all right. does the government have a clear strategy to deal with this latest crisis? yeah, very much so. i mean, as you know, this is not a french specificity. it happened here in the uk exac ....
Whether they re policemen or ordinary citizen, they are arrested, investigated and judged. france is a state of law. and there is no complacency about this. i can perfectly assure you about that. but somebody can be shot dead forfailing. actually, what i should say is this failing to comply with a traffic stop saw 13 people. no, no, no. ..dead last year. it s, as you very well know, zeinab, it s not about this. it s very. there s a huge frame about the use of weapons by the police. and it s not because you don t stop at a red light. there is a process. they have cameras. and if they have deviated, and it may be the case, i m not the justice in the 13 cases you ve mentioned, they are judged, they are put in jail, they are treated exactly, the policemen, exactly as in the other citizens. let me give you another statistic, then. how would you deal with this one? in france, a non white male is 20 times more likely to be stopped by the police than a male in the uk, six times more likely. ....
Yeah. 0k. so you say you don t have a problem. let s just look at your policing methods, because in 2022, 13 french people of african and north african origin were shot dead by police for a traffic offence compared to one in germany in the last decade and probably none in the uk in the last decade. there s only one death in police custody, which was very ambiguous. this is an indictment, and it goes against what you say that france does not have a problem with racism. again, it s not because 1% may be racist that all of them are racist. i don t think that s true. and when they read it. 13 dead? when they read that. shot dead by the police for a traffic offence? when these things happen, the people are arrested, whether they re policemen or ordinary citizen, they are arrested, investigated and judged. france is a state of law. and there is no complacency about this. i can perfectly assure you about that. but somebody can be shot ....