expected to speak with vladimir putin this week as ukrainian leaders accuse russia of planning a coup attempt in their country. the discussion is expected to be a major test of the president s foreign policy in joining us to react his former state department morgan ortugus. good morning. rachel: should we be worried about this as we hear the biden administration may be planning on dealing with both sides of this, both countries. why should we care to thanks, rachel. we should care because ukraine is a fact fragile democracy and what we see russia and china doing is trying to take over this fragile democracies around the world so this all plays into the sort of bigger geopolitical competition between the united states, china and russia. we saw china do this in hong kong which is to take away democracy and freedom there and it should worrisome and ukraine because some of the things that has