for this conversation. i was feeling a little down about where things are, which is a thing that can happen when you spend all your time thinking about it. here is someone who has a more amazing career and has been fighting for american democracy. she gave me a charge of hope. it was a great pleasure to get to sit down and talk to sherrilyn ifill. i didn t want to make this joke in front of you. the joke i was going to make is in basketball there s a stat called plus minus. it s independent of how the
in basketball there s a stat called plus minus. plus minus is independent of how the player is playing what the score is doing on the floor. i was like sherrilyn ifill is plus minus. i think you re making a different calculation than i m making, right? i actually think and it s the part i feel good about. i feel incredibly pleased and gratified and actually even surprised and hopeful about the progress that s been made in helping millions more people understand the issues that i ve devoted my life to than ever before in my lifetime. that is pure plus. the issues you work on, voting rights and the protection of multiracial democracy, have never been essentially an activating issue people have talked about in my lifetime.