when you re telling people that a presidential election is being stolen, you can t be shocked when people believe you and then become violent. at some point, they have to take responsibility. you know, you know, the thing is, mika first of all, donald trump is saying that it s smart. yeah, so smart that while he is sitting there lying to them and grifting and getting hundreds of millions of dollars from people lying, saying, give me money and we ll fight the election, and it all goes to him. first of all, not smart there. also, unfortunately, there were a lot of people that went up to the capitol because they believed donald trump. they believed his lies. yeah. they re sitting in prison right now. he s just sitting back at mar-a-lago, living his life, loving it. family vacations around the world, on beaches. flying all around on his private, well, you know, 757, whatever it is. flying from one country club to another. and they re sitting in jail, yeah. you ll no
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and doj whether they want to get serious enough to move forward on this, joe. it is a test of wills. does doj, does merrick garland have the stomach for this fight? we shall see. jackie, we were talking about pat cipollone and how anticipated his testimony is to be shown publicly. he was behind closed doors friday. has the committee given any sense as to how and how much we ll hear from him in the next couple days? and the aides you talked to over the weekend, were they satisfied from what they heard? he was certainly a big fish for them all along. yeah, you heard the lawmakers who basically made the circuit on sunday shows yesterday, talking about how much info and how crucial pat cipollone s testimony was. this came after a little bit of a spin game from his side of the story, which said that he did not corroborate cassidy he