11780 votes. when he said that, was he asking ross ten berger to falsify the votes. that is the presumption. brian: and he will say no. will. he would say no. i think him simply saying find me 11780 votes i think that s a matter of will. i don t think that s is he looking to falsify the votes. the other question is, this issue about false elector. this it issue of false slaft electors. this essentially relied on a legal theory of some of the president s attorneys on the reading of the 12th amendment that the vice president has turn down electors from states. i think that s bizarre theory. a couple of well-known attorneys hold it. i don t know that holding that theory or acting on it is necessarily criminal.