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Republican primary and leading biden by a lot, so if you can t beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. we can t let this happen in america. thank you very much. the bbc was inside the courthouse watching the proceedings unfold. 0ur reporter bernd debusmann described the former president s demeanour in front of the judge. well, he was very calm and very quiet. he did not say much, he just responded very quickly to westerns when they were answered and gave his name and when he was asked his age he said seven, seven in his words. but even with the possible penalties and indictment read out, very little visible on his face and he spent most of the time with his hands in front of him hunched over the table. he seemed to not be reacting much but listening but not reacting visibly in any way that showed any emotion. visibly in any way that showed any emotion- visibly in any way that showed any emotion. can you describe for us the any emotion. can you describe for us the moments ....
He said, you re too honest . that tells me a lot. number one, that trump was dishonest and was failing in getting his vice president to join him in that dishonesty. you know, there was a lot of interaction between the then president and his vice president, where the then president was trying to bully the vice president into violating his oath of office and violating the electoral count act and i think the verbatim or word for word discussions will be important evidence for this trial. well, donald trump s legal team will say that this is about his first amendment rights. what s your reaction to that? ....
This date was coming from the indictment and, of course, as a member of the january six committee, we ve known for some time that he engaged in a pattern of conduct that was criminal and designed to overthrow the constitution and the election in order to keep power, so it was a mix of sadness, determination and, i guess, in a sense, gratification that in america, no person is above the law. well, special counseljack smith has notes from former president mike pence which were taken in real time. now, of course, we know that he never actually sat down with the january six committee but what kind of information do you think thatjack smith is now in possession of because of those notes? well, i would think substantial information. for example, one of the things he recited in the indictment was the ex president trying to talk pence into throwing the votes out. ....
Well, i don t clearly, it s not. as the indictment itself recited, you can say whatever you want, even if it s lies. but when that turns into action, then you run into criminal conduct. it s like saying you can say whatever you want, so if you walk into a bank and say, i ve got a gun, give me all your money, that s protected by the first amendment. i think not. what do you think, ultimately, this means for the united states in the years to come? well, i don t have a crystal ball but i do think it is a there are some fundamentals here. fundamentals since the first president george washington is that when the election is taken, the incumbent abides by the results. george washington left after two terms. i remember reading at the library of congress a letter that president lincoln had written to his cabinet when he believed he was going to lose the election in the middle of the civil ....
Well, there are those who think that their system of government, autocracy, socialism, communism, autocratic systems are the ones that are the best, that should prevail in this next, in our future, and as a democracy, when we are attacking our institutions at the very core of what a democracy is which is one vote, your vote matters, we are doing their bidding for them. as we are looking at these images of the former president s convoy? what do you think of what the congresswomen just had to say? i think nothing is more corrosive that our democracy than candidates running for elective office who are active members of the communist and socialist party, so the assault on our democracy is coming from within our democratic system but also coming from outside our ....