joining me now is a member of the new york times editorial board and dr. lroy. thank you both for being here. dr. roy, i ll start with you this is where the consequences and the mandates kick in what do you make of the fact that new york city is doing to be pretty strict new york city has, this is two for my producers, they already require vaccine, proof of vaccines for dining indoors shs fshs, going in the club, fitness classes indoors, pools, studios and indoor entertainment, movie theaters, broadway, et cetera. does this new vaccine requirement with those 72,000 health care workers facing the music, is that what we need to proceed so the rest of us are safe joy, so good to be with you yeah, that s unfortunately what has to happen. if you have such a large swath of people still not abiding by public health guide lines by