desantis. the primaries quickly reverting to trump versus everyone else. joining me now, fernand amandi, host of the strange days podcast. congressman jolly, this is not how ron desantis imagined his position in the race. to be honest, your and my analysis also i m adjutant that they would take aim at him, and in reality, it turns out they don t seem to perceive him as the vic biggest threat on that stage. that s exactly right, alicia. the phase where this was trump, desantis, and everybody else, that face is now over. and i would suspect that we will see some polls, not all of them, but probably some pulling in that shows ramaswamy passing desantis. that certainly won t be every poll, but ron desantis, debate night, he didn t hurt himself, he didn t help himself. ramaswamy had a big night as the world got to know him. we ll see how long that energy lasts. haley and pence had a good night as well. but i think that show of hands