sort of concession, they would perhaps set up a meaningful unitarian court or out of mariupol with the mayor their essays they are on the verge of a humanitarian disaster and they would want to evacuate the civilians that are still there. you might think that if the russians want to show intent, they would pick something that is perhaps for many for the action they are doing already. in terms of what people in ukraine think about it, there is a healthy sense of criticism. i went yesterday to the territorial defence here in ukraine and this lovely old home guard basically, ordinary people, ordinary men and the main who would ever fire up men and the main who would ever fire up as before and i with them training and learning how to handle these rifles and they did not know how to load and did not know how to make safe shooting targets and getting training from the ukrainian army. and when you talk to those men and you say how do you think this will end? they are prepared to keep those we
senate that just aren t going to come. so, as much as they may try and hold press conferences and message and react to all of this, there just isn t going to be movement, especially at the end of this year, which already has a number of legislative priorities. and looking into next year, you talk to a lot of democrats who are in tough seats, they don t want to take any tough votes. and this, unfortunately, because it has become so politicized no matter how you look at this issue, it does become a tough vote for some democrats who are trying to protect their seats going into the midterm election. we have to take a break, but talk about tough votes and things that could upend the political calculus in 2022. when we come back, we got to talk about those supreme court hearings about the mississippi law. don t go anywhere. my panel is sticking with us. and we ll continue this conversation right after the break. when you have an irregular heartbeat, it s more.
consequences. you know, what makes what she said there and the actions she took charging the parents of the alleged shooter so interesting is that it s so rare. do you think that, you know, whenever there s a school shooting, absolutely, the parents should be held responsible as well as the shooter? you know, i m not a legal expert, but i think we can say specifically in this case, there is clear negligence that was happening, if not worse than that. and i think this obviously goes on a case-by-case basis, but more than anything, jonathan, i think if we re just talking about how we hold these parents accountable after these things happen, we re failing our children. because the reality is four kids still died that day. 17 parents and kids and teachers, you know, died at parkland. we can t just be talking about how we respond to these things afterwards. we need to act proactively. we need the white house especially to be acting
more with our first guest. joining me now, white house principle deputy press secretary karine jean-pierre. welcome back to the sunday show, and live and in person. happy to be here. happy to be here with you in person, my friend. really excited about it. let s start with the last thing, not the last thing, but the middle thing i taukd about, the fact that the president is going to be having a video call with russian president vladimir putin on tuesday. i noted in there that we are expected that the president is going to express u.s. support for ukraine. what else can we expect the president to bring up? i don t want to get ahead of the president, clearly this is going to be an important call that he will have with the president. president putin. look, one of the things that president biden says all the time, there s no substitute for a leader-to-leader dialogue and engagement. that s what you re seeing here. a big part of that is to make sure we continue advancing u.s. interests
it s going to be fully paid for because we want to make sure that the wealthiest among us, the corporations are doing their paying their fair share, and it s going to lower inflation as well, ease inflation as we have heard from economists, independent economists say that over and over again. all of those things are important for your viewers to know. we have to talk about the school shooting in michigan. the details of the case, particularly as it involves the parents, are truly shocking and horrifying. but you know, i m going to be speaking with david hogg, survivor of parkland, later on in the show, and i interviewed him when the supreme court heard the new york gun case. and in his response in that interview where i ask what can be done, he had a lot to say, and he also said president biden, do something. you need to do something. what are the conversations like in the white house when it comes to not just school shootings but how what can you do to at