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Transcripts for MSNBC Model America 20240604 02:26:00

Thelma: my son, he got shot in that backyard over there with his hands in the air. we endured this pain for 30 years. now we re back here again. christine: i was in eighth grade when phillip pannell was murdered, and a lot of my friends knew phillip pannell. so i try every year to teach the students about phillip pannell, because too often they come to school and they don t know his story. so i m always trying to make sure that his name is remembered and we never forget what happened. protestor: (shouting) 30 years. not again. natacha: i ve been fighting for 31 years because even now, today, teaneck is trying to sweep it under the rug. jim: hall meeting, all right. that is the black lives matter mural, council member rice. gervonn: i know that we did discuss it at our last council meeting and just wanted to make sure that it was brought up again. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Model America 20240604 02:54:00

Caused people to finally realize that it didn t matter where you went in america. it was in the suburbs. it was in the place that america had deemed to be safe spaces. so, for me, it s part and parcel why this story is so important, because it was teaneck in 1990. it could be your community tomorrow. (music) natacha: some people in teaneck, i believe, are on the right side of history. when the teaneck board of education said, we re going to have a mural, i was like, okay, finally, after all these years, teaneck, new jersey is going to honor phillip pannell. (music) his name is not going to be in a parking lot on a mural. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Model America 20240604 02:17:00

I just couldn t understand. like, if a man or a person getting shot in the back and you don t see no wrong with that, you know. i don t understand that. natacha: as we were leaving, it was such a crazy feeling and so bizarre. we had to get out of there. our chests were tight. like, you know, we couldn t breathe. reporter: to the family and friends of phillip pannell, this verdict, according to them, shows that a black person cannot get justice in america. they criticized the fact that in a racially sensitive case like this one, there never should have been an all white jury hearing the evidence. reporter2: spath said he thought his life was being threatened. the jury sided with the police officer. male: to have a jury return a verdict in 9 hours. it s almost as though the jury said, let s hurry up and do this thing and so we can get home for dinner. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Model America 20240604 02:55:00

It s going to be at teaneck high school, the high school that he loved, the high school that he should have been able to graduate from. today is a positive day. thelma: yes, it is. natacha: today is a good day. because today teaneck, new jersey, has acknowledged that phillip pannell s life mattered. thelma: life mattered. (clapping) natacha: i was thinking like, i m just happy that this is finally happening and that i can go on with my life and move on to the next step. i don t want to live with that hate. i want to live with the memories and the good times that clint and i shared (music) the mural at teaneck high school, it did give my mother and i a great deal of peace and relief. but there was one more way that we wanted to honor my brother. and that was the tree of healing. ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Model America 20240604 02:45:00

I don t know how it d be to lose a child. and, and, and i can only imagine the horror you ve lived through over the last, uh, what is it? 30 years now. i certainly, you know, certainly don t understand how it is to lose a sibling either as i speak to your daughter as well. but i will not support a mural that has phillip pannell s name on it anywhere. if you re asking me for my vote, you know, because i won t vote for something that i don t fully support. and there s certain aspects that right now i can t support. but i do support the concept. during the rioting back in 1990 as a 15 year old, i was working on the ambulance corps. i transported a photographer who had his camera smacked over his head to the hospital. i do remember going into the e.r., i remember seeing three or four teaneck police officers holding a different arm or a packet somewhere else where they were injured. i couldn t believe that this was my town and i couldn t believe the damage that was done. ....

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