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Other conservatives to make the unions out to be bad guys. look, the bottom line is sometimes they are bad. sometimes they are good. the average is what we are trying to seek here. i agree with mark, compromise is the name of the game. everyone will come to the compromise. shannon: really quick answers because i want to get to you both on this question. best advice you would give to the unions in this case from a p.r. standpoint and how they turn this around in their favor. i think that so far this has been in their favor. the best advice is to stick to their points. you know, but say that they want to get back to the table. they want to continue to negotiate and have a compromise. that s their best position. so far i think they have been winning that. shannon: tyler, quickly, best advice to the governor. get everyone at the table. you have to start talks. don t force a vote because every day that you are trying to force a vote is every day that you are slipping in the polls? y ....