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there was a big disagreement between senator mccain and secretary panetta about the u.s. going alone into syria. mccain made a very strong point going back to the 90s saying, look, when the atrocities were happening in bosnia, the united states acted and it s time for us to act here. he had a very pointed question to panetta saying, how many more tens of thousands have to die before you re willing to go in? but panetta countered and said, look, i m not going to send american troops, men and women, into this situation unless i m sure of exactly what we can accomplish there. we heard today some of the real factors that the u.s. is considering, you know, that you ve got 100 different groups as part of the opposition, so not a clear idea of who they are. high density, high population centers, and a syrian air defense force that presents much, much more challenging defenses than libya s did. let me ask you about this. the exchange specifically about the u.s. asking perm ....