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i think they will establish they may get some traction on this. they ll establish that there was this kind of shadow movement, this kind of behind back doors movement maybe, maybe led by mayor giuliani. of course, that might create some problems for the president because look, he is going around this is who president trump is. he is going around the conventional established procedures in the state department. he is sending over his private lawyer to have diplomatic discussions with the government of the ukraine, and of course the state department people who are entrenched don t like this one bit by passing them and sending in the mayor. so it will be fascinating to see how this turns out. bill: if there are developments on the whistleblower as well. you heard adam schiff. did you hear rand paul earlier today? ....

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