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And my knowledge also that you run a big workshop in germany with a0 or 50 staff doing the artwork with you, which clearly requires a lot of money. yeah. you make money from your art, don t you? yes, of course. and how do you live with that, given your feelings about the capitalocene period we re living in? absolutely. it s saying like, how much is good enough? right? and i think so if you don t put a limit of how much you earn, then you start to earn something that you don t need. and i think so, the majority and this means, this is what i m trying to do with the exhibitions also this means in the first place when you enter the serpentine is pierre bollo, the spider diviner. and he s selling his own divination. this means when i went to cameroon. this is the indigenous cameroonian spider. ..diviner. absolutely. and what he s doing when i went there, the first thing is like i was feeling a little bit, 0h, should i do it again? kind of a national geographic portrait, an artist ....
To a certain level, that their capacity to survive is not any more able to maintain. when we think about humanity as all being equal, i think there is a big, you know, trouble, and i think part of the exhibition at the serpentine, what we do is like, yes, veronica chavez and natividad vidal, they re two persons from the community of argentina, they are coming and they have flight to london. they have a carbon credit. there s a gigantic depth from the global north to the global south, and this has been seen in the cop26, 27 and many cops, and it means they are a part of the population that their voice needs to be heard. you talk about the cops, the big global conferences on climate change, trying to get global agreements to reduce emissions. you ve, ithink, installed your art in three of them. yeah. has it made any difference? i mean, you know, again, do you think your creativity, your installations, your art is making any difference? i hope so, and i think so. depend where, right? ....
Knowledge also that you run a big workshop in germany with a0 or 50 staff doing the artwork with you, which clearly requires a lot of money. yeah. you make money from your art, don t you? yes, of course. and how do you live with that, given your feelings about the capitalocene period we re living in? absolutely. it s saying like, how much is good enough, right? and i think so if you don t put a limit of how much you earn, then you start to earn something that you don t need. and i think so, the majority and this means, this is what i m trying to do with the exhibitions also this means in the first place when you enter the serpentine is pierre bollo, the spider diviner. and he s selling his own divination. this means when i went to cameroon. this is the indigenous cameroonian spider. ..diviner. absolutely. and what he s doing when i went there, the first thing is like i was feeling a little bit, 0h, should i do it again? kind of a national geographic portrait, an artist which ....
And then very clearly he said well, after a week of conversation, discussion, what could happen? he said, can you do a web page for me, because i want to sell my divination to the rest of the world . people come to the serpentine, we built up a web page for him where he had been. so you re not exploiting him or, indeed, yourspiders, maybe for profit, is that what you re telling me? absolutely. and this means that we have already raised and he have through his own web page, a lot of divination, which are charged, indirectly are the source of their income, to help to maintain that knowledge. and it s their knowledge. it s this 5% of population which knows how to maintain this biodiversity on the planet earth. well, it s fascinating stuff. tomas saraceno, i thank you forjoining me. i m sure many more people will now be interested in your spiders and your balloons. thank you very much. it was a pleasure. thank you. it s great to have you in the studio. ....