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Indeed on the airplane. it wouldn t be beyond the russians, of course, to have launched some sort of disinformation campaign and wanted to make it appear that prigozhin had been killed. of course they ll want to settle what seems obvious, which is that if he was on the plane, that this particular plane was shot down as has been reported by purposeful, if you will, antiaircraft, but i think they want to be able to nail down the certainty. they don t want the president coming out as a fact witness in trying to answer the questions that are more properly in the domain of the intelligence of the united states of america. ambassador mcfaul, there s a telegram channel that is considered as best source of information about the wagner news group since the two verified prigozhin canals stopped posting. ....
They see coming out of russia right now. so before they re able to really weigh in with any real, i think, more confirmed statements beyond the statement, according to what russia has reported, they want to have their own understanding, a better independent analysis of what took place, whether or not prigozhin was on board the plane. thank you so much. i know you don t expect it, because it doesn t work that way in the white house, but if you get anymore information feel free to call us. we would appreciate it. let me bring back our chief foreign correspondent richard engel who has reported extensively on prigozhin, the wagner group and has traveled extensively in that part of the world. we were having a conversation before, and i m not sure if you were able to listen in because i have a feeling you have been out making phone calls and doing reporting. ambassador mcfaul was talking about two critical questions, how it might be playing inside russia and how it might be playing inside ....
He likes to talk about traitors, never forgets them, goes after them, poisons them in foreign countries, and that will be a subtle message that the russian elite will definitely take from this incident. whatever happened here, and again, i want to just point out two more things, what we re hearing right now is coming from russian television, general. there are reports there is potentially a second plane. as clint pointed out. this is someone known to use doubles. having said all that, how many people right now do you imagine, general, are sleeping with one eye open? probably a good number of them. we need to remind ourselves that putin is not james bond. i mean, these are thugs. they re not very bright. they murder people in hospitals who fall out of an upper story window in their wheelchair. they murder opposition people within eyesight of the kremlin. ....
Had made some type of peace following the insurrection attempt. clearly that was a humiliating and devastating political incident for president putin. so there has been all kinds of concern and speculation ever since that about what would be the fate of yevgeny prigozhin, and frankly, how it was possible that he was still alive after attempting an insurrection against the russian government. when we last heard from yevgeny prigozhin in the first of his nightly video addresses that was posted since that attempted insurrection, he said at the time that he was in africa releasing this video. talked about russia freeing the nation s of africa. that s obviously a continent where wagner fighters and troops had been very active in recently months. but we re also starting to see some reports on social media suggesting that it s possible there might have been a second plane. speculation that maybe prigozhin was not, in fact, on that plane that went down. ....
Yevgeny prigozhin may possibly be on board that plane. they re waiting for information about whether or not he s on the second plane, which obviously would dramatically transform this story that we have been talking about for the last hour and change or so. in the meantime, we re also getting our first reaction from the u.s. government, which obviously has a major interest in figuring this out as well. we are learning president biden has been briefed on the situation, and also hearing from the national security council spokesperson, and if they re confirmed, no one should be surprised. she says the disastrous war in ukraine led to a private army marching on moscow, and now it would seem to this. chris. thank you for that, josh lederman. i want to bring in nbc s chief white house correspondent peter alexander who is joining us by phone. so the white house has finally issued a statement at least based on what we have just heard and what we would expect something fairly short, to the ....