that s the thing, the whole thing is wanting to be able to do it himself, having no one who could tell him what to do. that s not the reality of the job except pardons. great joy, thrill, victoria talking to me about how he felt pardoning scooter libby. is it that he loves that feeling of being the king? i can bestow upon you this pardon? clearly he s getting ego rush from granting these pardons. he enjoys thumbing the nose of his adversaries and stroking those who are in a position to incriminate him, encouraging them that deliverance will be coming. just like when he thought he was going to be able to do what he wanted, he s found out that the law pushes back, and he s going to find out that there are limitations on this too. he s even talked about whether
he can do a sell-pard a self-pardon. the constitution doesn t allow that. the constitution doesn t allow corrupt pardons. if he does it with corrupt intent, he s going to get in trouble. he may think he can pardon his way out of trouble, send this signal, but he can t. he can only pardon federal offenses. the states are ready to come after the michael cohens and the paul manaforts. they have huge new york state liability. so the president s going to be disabused again of his wrong impressions. is that a sure thing, renato? if new york state, michael cohen, they charge him, convict him, he gets 50 years, pulling this out of the air, right, but he can t pardon that if that s new york state. are the states going to do it? they can do it for many offenses but not for all. because unfortunately obstructing a federal investigation is only a federal offense. lying to the fbi is only a federal offense. norm is right that there s a lot of a lot out there that they can be charge the with
secretary of defense, whose name escapes me right now, i can see a picture of him. prior to his going to trial. so the pardon power is used just as each president is a different person, they want to use it the way that they feel comfortable. i think he took great joy, i know in giving scooter libby a pardon. he told me, i m so happy, i m making him happy. so the president is righting many wrongs, not just from the obama administration but other administrations, and that s what the power should be about. the president tweeted this morning a quote from your husband and your law partner, obviously you are both roles in each other s lives, here s the tweet. the recusal of jeff sessions was an unforced betrayal of the president of the united states, and of course he quotes joe digenova, storm u.s. attorney. joe and i have certain different styles. i wouldn t quite say it that
saying d souza was quote treated very unfairly by our government. it s trump s fifth pardon since taking office, which is big news. i m going to get to more on that in just a moment. first, why d souza? today trump said he didn t know d souza, who of course confessed to illegal campaign contributions. trump said he s never met the guy. he claims no one asked him to pardon him. then why did he? a white house official tells cnn that trump began considering the pardon several weeks ago and coincidentally, that would be when d souza appeared on the president s favorite morning show to say he was a victim of a quote political hit. i think in my case, a congressional oversight committee has my file. and it very clearly red flags me as a conservative who made a movie critical of the obama administration. so the fbi which uncovered this was clearly signalling to obama and to the holder justice department, hey this guy s a political enemy, let s prosecute
flying oval, for them to hear his words. this is strategically placed. he wants people to know what he s doing. to send a message to america, send a message to those who we think may flip. he wants to make a statement. and this is not normally it s always when you have a pardon, a clemency, why and who are the people that are involved? but we know the answer. it s in front of our face. norm, look, the president always used to talk about he had this view of being president that didn t match what being president is, didn t match the fact that there were other pool who could check your power, didn t match that there was a constitution that could tell you what to do. he said the constitution is quote-unquote treating him very unfairly. here s what he said. i have to do it myself. my daughter would go crazy. she said, dad, that s not presidential. i d say, who cares? i m the only one, believe me, i know them all, i m the only one that knows how to fix it. i don t know if it s presid