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and mathews? well, generally we re going to see what donald trump was doing and what he was not doing during that 187-minute fateful period of american history. he continued to exhort, inflame, insight the crowd. he continued to direct extremely negative comments towards vice president pence saying he didn t have the courage to do what needed to be done. he obviously inflamed the crowd in the morning saying you ve got to fight like hell and if you don t fight like hell you re not going to have a country anymore. he directed them to the capitol and so on. those two witnesses both have very individual specific stories to tell. i think i ll keep everybody in suspense. the washington post isup up with some reporting really within the past few minutes that they plan to show outtakes from

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