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The work he did, he wanted to talk more about it. when he talked more about it we talked about the significance it would have to china. we asked, did you do it to help the chinese? he said absolutely. and my response was, wouldn t that also hurt the united states navy? he came around and said i guess you are right, i can t help china without hurting the united states navy. how come that conversation wasn t recorded? well, a lot of different reasons. the first reason was we were doing it in the santa ana prison. and when we went over there, we never expected him to talk. it was not ncis policy to record all of our operations. and it wasn t our method of operation. when chi mak said he passed information to china. part of me was delighted, this was a breakthrough, this is with ....

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